QOTD: Yes i did and yes it worked but they dropped out because it is not duplicated! I now use it only to friendship. After that i start by using the phone to get to them. But it still is a lot of work and i rather spent that time to get to more people in real life! Much more efficient! (like you pointed out at MasterMind).

It's safe to say some of the internet junkies have tooo much time on their hands.. :) One guy has like 10 posts Yikes.. By the way I respect everyone's opinion. Great episode guys as the TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE!! :) Results do matter, but is it Results for JUST YOU (which is usually grinding) or is it Results for YOU & the FAMILY you build with your program.. :) For me its all about the family...

Hey Eric.. As Much as I love you and appreciate all you have taught me, I DISAGREE with Randy Gage 99%. You can't tell me that he is not using IM to build his team, or that he attends all these generic functions just because of his kind heart. The books he writes are also selling shovels to the miners.

I agree with the tag lines, I agree with with relationship building, I agree with duplication. But at one point purchasing leads was considered to be impossible to duplicate and now most of the people that you have used as great examples on your show purchase thousands of dollars of leads and place ads on Magazines and send out card decks.

Like I said, I have a bunch of respect for you and all you stand for but IM is a better, faster way to build a Network Marketing team.

Only time will tell the entire story but it's going to take an Netweb Marketer to stand on a National Convention's Stage as a top earner to stop the Bull.

With all do respect Gage is too arrogant for me..

Definition of (( arrogant )) making claims or pretensions to superior importance or rights; overbearingly assuming; insolently proud: an arrogant public official.

I just reviewed the compensation plan for Randy's program. It states:

>>To earn commissions you must be active by placing a qualifying product order(50 cv or greater) each month,
and have at least one personally enrolled active team member who places a qualifying order.<<

This is a young company and as such you ONLY need to sponsor ONE active person! HELLO!!!

That tells you old school marketing does not work. When a company reduces their qualifying rate to
only one person that sends a resounding message of how difficult it can be to build a NWM business.

That's why we ALL need IM skills. Don't full yourself into thinking otherwise.

this has been very beneficial for me. I joined one of my opportunities Jan. 2009. I joined for the products
only. We love them. But as I post and review comments, I'm thinking in this company I must sponsor 20 people
over time to reach the highest level.

I'm thinking do I really want to put people through that? Or do I want to get paid?????

Hey, sponsoring only ONE and getting paid on the lesser leg makes sense to me!!!!!!

I can always purchase the products from my current company with the money I earn from
a new company.

NWM is about getting PAID, no matter what people might think!

Paul

Another landing page with Randy in a video!

He says "thanks for visiting this website" he goes on to say "fill out the information below."

Which is it people? Is he or isn't he using IM to build his business?????

Here is the link: http://sn.im/nou5p

Mind you... the page could be in violation of his companies "advertising" guide lines. Food for thought!

He's certainly doing the opposite of what he said in today's video.

I love the Internet you can generally find the "truth."

Paul

Yes No and No.....it is easier to meet a stranger and make them a friend and then business partner than it is to meet a stranger and TRY and make them your partner!

I am very new, only 6 months in business. No I have not met or sponsor nobody by Internet, but I think, like everything else, in the professional way, it will help, but I suspect, not very much, I really don't know.
Nice travell again in Amsterdam's canals. I just downloaded Randy last book "Multi Level Money Machine".
I will start reading after posting this.
Thank again.
Best Regards
Juan Carlos Torrico, from Santiago de Chile
Architect, Studying again to become a MLM professional.
(I think I am getting into the unconfort zone, cause I am starting to feel the fear of success, I supposse)

Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU!

It isn't a matter of can't do, or being old school.

For years I was able to build online, sponsor and have a "small handful duplicate" (the word duplication is embarrassing used in this context) then discovered out of all the many ways of marketing online there was absolutely no way to lead a large group of people, to do a few simple actions, over a sustained period of time.

Intenet Marketing creates no culture, no bond, no loyalty to the industry, company, organization, products, etc.

It seems to be way too much "all about me" and this business becomes about "other people" the moment one joins the business.

Here’s an example of how it duplicates. This is a question sent to me just YESTERDAY by a very talented rising star, that’s been building with the fundamentals, successfully and had been bitten by the Internet Marketing bug:

“I do have a question, which might quite possibly lead to other questions. I need help with SEO. I think I've done ok, with keywords and submission to the search engines and such, but is there anything you can recommend, like continued SEO or tricks of the trade?”

So …. There-in lies the dilemma.

I COULD help this person and invest many, many hours helping her learn what I’ve spend thousands of hours and thousands of dollars on since 1999.

Then, I just create a bigger problem, "IF" she’s a good student and is successful at applying what I teach her.

The reason is she now has to duplicate what I teach her with anyone she sponsors (that wants to do the same) , and teach them how to invest hundreds and thousands of hours and then they must repeat this slow and painstaking and costly process.

It happens so slowly no one has time left to build the business using the NETWORK MARKETING business model.

No action, no traction, no duplication, no momentum, stagnation and finally DAMAGE.

Eric and Randy, thank you so much in leading the way and setting the example of professional standards of our industry that are timeless.

Randy, your new book ROCKS!

I'm on my fourth read of it already and reccommend it to my leaders and rising stars daily!

Stephanie, some good points.

Are you creating daily leads online with your knowledge? Wouldn't that help the team?

It takes time to learn SEO skills. Is that really necessary? What about a co-op that new people can tap into that does the work for them?

The last question is with your online skills what are you doing with them?

Paul

Hi Paul,

Thanks for writing and nice to meet you! I've watched Eric's video's on NWMPro since day one and today was the first time I was completely compelled to comment :)

Yes, we definitely create (many) leads online daily through SEO optimized lead capture, also a Pay Per Click campaign that's cooped, and other resources. Never had any difficulty there and still don't.

I was blessed that my online marketing efforts took me to the top position in our company within 15 months of joining our program, so am committed, tried, true, and full circle have experienced and successfully worked all methods over a period of time.

For prospecting and sponsoring (in my opinion) all methods work. Anything will work when one does it enough and masters a skill. But, I'm only referring to duplicating the teaching, mentoring and coaching of a skillset.

Great questions & thanks for the intro and dialog!



Dream BIG!

Stephanie Sterling & Roy Juers

Stephanie >>>>I was blessed that my online marketing efforts took me to the top position in our company within 15 months of joining our program, so am committed, tried, true, and full circle have experienced and successfully worked all methods over a period of time.<<<

HELLO!!!! thank you Stephanie!!!

Your skills can be learned by anyone that wants to put in the time and effort. Point being if it takes a year and the thousands of hours wouldn't it be worth it for the new guy or gal that joins your typical MLM and then "QUITS." (Because a loving friend or family member has sown doubt in their mind. )

They'll waste hundreds of hours thinking about what they can or can't do with old school. I'm not
afraid to call anyone. I won't anymore. There are so many leads available and so many people fill out
forms that when you do call they've been called or formed an opinion they can't succeed because they've had so many desperate sounding callers.

I say spend the time and effort to learn. It's that learning curve that will keep that new recruit in the process of building his MLM. They're saying.... Stephanie does it, and I can too!

As long as people can retain the "HOPE" of being successful, what ever that is to them, they'll stay active in the pursuit of that goal.

When they discover old school methods aren't working and their upline says just keep doing what you're doing what does that say to new people???? Who's interest do they really have at heart? The new persons interest or their interest in their CHECk??? Doing activities that do not work!!!

When companies start to fail. Who knows first? Upline members. Do they tell everyone else? NO way!!!
They want their check to continue.

They then start looking for a new venture to position themselves. All the while encouraging others to continue to recruit to a falling business. Now with sites like alexa.com, quantcast.com you cansee if a company is growing or dying by its traffic.

Only this week I recall past conversations with my upline and his financial issues. Like I really care about his families check! ( I don't mean that in a mean spirited way) It's about my families well being and those I sponsor into the business! That's where my commitment lies. He gets paid off my efforts, not in reverse.

All too ofter we hear, it's "your business" that all stops once you're in the program. Then it becomes their interest in doing what they "think" they know leads to success. You are now driven to do the business their way or the highway!

That's the power in learning IM skills. You never have to depend on the teachings of others to earn a living! This is the era of HOPE, of Obama when all things are possible! IM is for everyone of all ages.

You only have too .... want to change your life!

Your post sums it all up. You generate daily leads with very little effort. You have reached the top of your business from your IM skill set!

That should settle this argument of the importance of new school and old school. Old school gives you limited options to build your business. Add in new school and your options are multiplied globally and daily!

If people can't see that.... what can I say.

That's not any different from a prospect saying NWM doesn't work.

Paul

In total disregard of my upline's advice, I spent the first three months trying to build my business on the internet. It Was a "full-time" job, and the contacts I spent far too much time developing turned out to be internet junkies, who wouldn't take the time to turn their computer off and leave the room to build a business. Thanks for separating Internet marketing and MLM. That makes sense. As far as "affiliate marketing" goes, it's like a bunch of carpenters spending all their time selling each other hammers but no houses get built.
When I finally overcame my fear of talking with people. I turned the PC off and began the journey! I agree with Randy. The internet is a great place for social networking, a poor place to build an MLM business.

For all those people who say their sponsoring 2 or more people a month on the internet ---- I'd love to see the retention rate.

Guys,

I would love to post a comment, but I am too busy marketing over the Internet.

Sorry about that... :)

Love you all
Alfredo Rodrigues

The average NWM only recruits 2 to 3 people. How can you succeed with those numbers? Join a binary program.

But what if you can generate 2 to 3 leads weekly of interested people? Now, what if you can teach each of your people to generate 2 to 3 people weekly from IM skills! Will that work???

What if you're on a team and you co-op funds to generate leads. So that you never have to learn those skills.

Do you think if you approached family and friends with a system whereby they would inject funds on a monthly basis to get leads for their business. Do you think they might be a little more interested? What if that system hired closers to make the calls to prospects and recruit the new people! Do you think that would help????

It's not about will IM work.... It's about when will upline members put these systems in place for the benefit of all???

Paul

HOLD the presses!!!!

Randy, said on video, he's NOT using New School Marketing to build his business.

I googled his name and guess what: Randy Gage Team - Randy Gage MLM Prosperity Agel Join the Team - http://sn.im/nnzj3 [www_randygageteam_com]

It's his voice, maybe he's not aware of this site.

Plus, it says "I'm back in the game" He goes on to say we need more leaders in the US and internationally.

Is Old School DEAD???? You bet.... it's so DEAD, Randy has decided to give NWM another try!!! How funny is that!!!! A top leader quit the business and now he's come back! Is he going to be using the three foot rule???
NO WAY!!!! He's using GOOGLE!!!!! He's got the bucks to do so! <grin>

It's the truth. If you look around many top MLMer's are now doing MLM again. Only a few truly successful MLMers with old companies like AVON, Amway and others have never quit. MLM was so difficult people like Randy left and are now returning! WHY? Because the rules have changed whether they know it or not!

They may think companies produce better products. The truth is we can now leverage ourselves globally like never before!

I applaud anyone doing NWM.

Paul

Wait a minute Eric and Randy, you guys don't understand Internet Marketing & Network Marketing work hand in hand. I.M. is a tool that is in our tool box! Not to be using that tool makes no sense at all.

In terms of relationship marketing.... that is still very much in play and will always be in play. Except now we build relationships online in social forums.

How powerful is IM? Well, let's put it like this Craigslist.org had to change how they do business because so many marketers were using and profiting from the service.

Take note Global Domains Int Leader board:

Weekly Potential Leaderboard

Covers New Signups for the Week of 07/13/2009 - 07/19/2009

Amount New Signups Affiliate Name City State Country
$2300 117 Mark Allen Murfreesboro TN US
$1200 61 Mhd Yusof Abd Ghoni Padang Serai KEDAH MY
$1100 56 Tissa Godavitarne Herndon VA US
$1000 51 Anjali Devangan Bangalore Karnataka IN
$800 40 Stone Evans Dallas TX US
$600 31 Kausar Khan Bangalore KA IN
$600 30 Bear Marketing Taylor MI US
$500 27 Tim Sebert Waxhaw NC US
$500 25 Lewis Syring Garden Ridge TX US
$400 21 Randy Beck Sioux Falls SD US
$400 21 Vincent Cherry Sebastian FL US
$400 20 Scott Whitwam Mesa AZ US

These people consistently recruit these numbers weekly!!!!! HELLO

I'm currently learning how with WA http://nyht.com

Also take note of "affiliate marketer's." They are earning in the hundreds to thousands
of dollars daily from affiliate sale programs. Programs that pay only one or two levels. Clickbank.com is HUGE
check their traffic rating at alexa.com. Avon has the most traffic of any MLM globally. They don't come close to having the traffic of Clickbank which is all affiliate programs. IM is the key to those affiliate sales. Apply those SKILLS to NWM and now you have a winner!

I have thousands of people under me in various programs from IM. All because I placed myself in the right position. (I just need to figure how to capitalize on that through more education).

Can this be duplicated? Of course it can. That's why facebook, myspace, youtube, twitter and other social media are so massive! Now we can "target" people by company. In a matter of minutes.

We can now brand ourselves, market ourselves, recruit, train, educate and most importantly DUPLICATE ourselves like never before.

Why isn't that happening on a massive scale? Because we are now at the very beginning of this transformation
to building massive groups online. When I was selling real estate 94 to 96. My broker was saying the Internet would never really help agents sell property. (WOW, what he couldn't see. )

Tim Sales is huge in MLM. He has gone from VHS video's at $10 or more a pop to online presentations of his programs with great success.

Dani Johnson, who is HUGE is only now starting to build on facebook & twitter.

This is an exciting time to be involved with Network Marketing. But don't think for minute that NWM & IM are a world of difference. They are joined at the hip for those in the know!

I just checked and Mike Dillard's "Better Networker." generates more traffic that your companies core .com website. Your companies growth globally wasn't wasn't because people build a list of people they knew globally!
HELLO. It was build on their web presence and the fact they opened many countries as well as the US. If they did this old school, no way would they being doing so well. They've got websites in many languages with little cost to the company. It's a no brainer! can't you guys see this????

I'm not taking sides. I'm only saying it would HELP of upline leaders in ALL MLM's would get up to speed on the potential. Start working as true team leaders instead of teaching old school methods that don't work for most people!

Have a great flight.

Paul

Great content guys. Internet Marketing is a job and one full of tasks that done correctly will make you more money than it costs. Is it worth your time? For most people they reach a point where the answer is no. They'd get paid more and have more fun flipping burgers or cleaning the tables at McDonald's.

My greatest success has always come out of relationships with people. It is much easier to meet and learn to relate to people in my own neighborhood. I and they cannot run away and hiding is difficult. Which are both good things and bad things. Internet marketing can be structured to find people you want to relate with. Learning who and how to assist people in growing their dreams is more difficult using the phone and internet. Network marketing is a team sport while internet marketing can be done by every Lone Ranger out there.

Many of us were trained to be Lone Rangers, trained to be good at a job and make someone else a lot of money. Internet marketing does a great job of offering people that kind of 'opportunity.' Many of the skill sets required to be successful at internet marketing can assist you with a network marketing business. Networking is about relating and being with people and the top internet marketers claim you don't have to attend meetings, ever talk with anyone and just promote, promote, promote. It is odd that they attend meetings and watch who is having success promoting their materials. Who do you think they contact?

QOTD: I use the internet to prospect for people. I don’t use it to prospect directly for my Networking Business though I don’t hide it. Along the way I have found people who could be successful. Their chance for success with me is hindered by the distance between us and people tend to do what was done to them. I met an expert at the phone. He has personally sponsored over 200 people into his MLM using a phone presentation and the company’s internet tools. Those 200 have sponsored another 200. That is not duplication and it is a telemarketing job. If he had found one superstar in the 200 those numbers would be much different. Looking for superstars requires being one first at something.

I'm glad that Randy is talking more directly about his opinion on Internet marketing in network marketing.
I've sold stuff online, and then (basically) sold network marketing to a few people, so I sponsored them, but it did not work for them- it is DEFINITELY a full-time job to run PPC and all of that.

"Mining the miners"; I'm glad Randy said it. I would like to see Mike and Ann vs. Randy on this topic.

That being said, the "friends and family" doesn't exactly have the best success rate either, so whereas my business didn't duplicate, I DID make some money, and that's why I was there.

What I'm doing now is completely different, and I think its the way of the future for MLM

AT LAST finally someone is coming out and saying the very thing I have been saying for years about Internet Network Marketing "IT DOESN'T WORK" I have always mentioned my dislike of Mike Dillard's and Ann Seig's way of marketing, our profession is hurting because of it. Thank you Randy. I believe a lot of people in our profession turn to the Internet because they feel their warm market is all used up, now that may be the case at the moment however I believe Eric may have pointed this out a few months ago that if you do really well in your chosen business then don't you think your "used" up warm market may come back and be more receptive to your business. Just a thought.
Nothing beats the face to face real person to real person interaction.

QOTD: Yes I have used the Internet for prospecting, NO it did not work, it is hard to duplicate. It just takes up so much time and is not an efficient tool.

I actually used the internet for 3 years. It worked fairly well for me....for a time. It didn't work well for anyone in my downline tho. It was costly and actually very bad for my network marketing business.

What you will find is that many good people might not have the skill sets needed to prospect online, it becomes more of a sales business. They might not have 2-3k also laying around to buy enough leads to make a good run, and of course it would mean most people in this persons downline might not either.

All in all it was a very expensive lesson for me on why you shouldn't train your team complex selling and internet marketing methods. Funny enough during that time the best people I sponsored and had as customers came from my warm market. Kinda makes you think.

Hi Eric and Randy thanks for bringing this segment to people’s attention. It’s important to protect this profession and your people. When new people get started they don’t know the ins and outs so often times these false tag lines lure them with false promises that there’s an easier way.
I've always have the belief, If your business isn't good enough to tell your friends and family then why is it good enough for you?
This is a relationship business! Looking forward to the next episode

Thanks for the reinforcement Eric and Randy.. Great content again.. I think one of the downfalls of trying to do this business online is that the "Why" gets lost in the communication flow. How you you effectively show someone your emotion for your business or see your enthusiasm and your urgency UNLESS YOU USE BIG LETTERS OR !!!!!! .. It just looks obnoxious... Face to face is much better..

QOTD: I have used the internet to reconnect with people.. Prospecting people I don't know online I believe is very difficult and CAN NEVER BE DUPLICATED from one person to another.

Eric:
What I am getting from your podcasts is that the business is very simple. It is about creating relationships and mastering a couple of skills at the beginning:Invinting and Presenting and then teaching them how to do it.

Such a honest point of view from Randy about this topic. I love the fact that he really shows us what`s duplicatable and what`s not. Keep up the great work guys. Looking forward to tomorrow`s show. Best regards Danny van Nispen..your biggest fan.

Yes, I tried it several times, prospecting through internet, but it didn't work for me so far !
I had the feeling I had to do this, because my warm market is not open-minded to my business at all. Skeptical is more the correct word. So because I don not meet enough people every day, I had to turn to the internet/social media etc. But does not bring me what I want. So have to think of other sources now. Have to go out more and build new relationships.
Thanks for your big help and have a save trip to Sidney for you and Randy. I have a desire to go there some day.
Beautiful country, Australia. Have been at the west side some years ago.
Best regards
Stella

This is a great interview. When I joined the business the first 15 people in my team were from my warm market. I teach warm market sponsoring to my team, and if they don't want to do that then I don't want to work with them. In 4 years one person has come into our team through a website and they were abducted by aliens a few days later. Websites can be useful to show someone info at a distance. We all know that if you send someone a DVD it may take them a month to watch it, whereas if you send them a link and say watch this and I'll call you back in 30 mins to see what you liked about it there's a lot more chance they will.

Mike Dillard and Ann Seig have made a lot of money from people looking for an 'easy' way to build a business, and good luck to them, but I don't believe they've done the industry any favours at all. They pander to the people who have previously failed in MLM and they write good sales copy, but denigrating the way we do business isn't helpful to those of us looking to build long lasting business relationships and long term passive income. I wonder how many people they sponsor actually stay with the business, or does their volume come mainly from recruitment. If it does that's not a time leveraged business.

However, attraction marketing basically means positioning yourself as a leader so people come to you, and that's just what Eric, Randy, and others do. This site is the best training resource I've ever seen and I'd guess there are several people who have joined Agel because of it. No doubt in the future there will be lots more. To me that shows you can use 'attraction marketing' and still be of service to the industry.

As for not using PPC, if you google Randy Gage btw the top sponsored link is 'Join the Randy Gage team'!!

Ultimately we should be in MLM because we believe in the industry, we believe in our company and products, and we believe our business can help others (not just us) achieve their dreams. When you believe this you should have no issues with speaking to anyone about it, least of all family and friends. After all don't you want them to be happy and successful too? Lasting MLM businesses are built in the living rooms and around the kitchen tables of the world. Not online.

If it's lack of belief that's stopping you talking to your warm market then the issue is with you not the system. Invest in some personal development and become a network marketing pro. We have a better way. Didn't you know?

Mark

"As for not using PPC, if you google Randy Gage btw the top sponsored link is 'Join the Randy Gage team'!!"

Just want to point out Mark, that doesn't mean that Randy himself is using PPC. It could very easily be one of his distributors."

Yeah I know. It wasn't a criticism. I meant it to be kinda tongue in cheek. Randy's taught me just about everything I know about this business. I love the guy!

Mark.

It's his voice!!!! And I'll bet his people are doing the marketing. It only makes sense.

The question you have to ask yourself why did he quit????? He was no different that our
beloved "famil & friends" MLM, NWM did NOT work for him!!! He quit, even though he was
one of the TOP earners!!!! Hello!

You friends and family members aren't idiot's. They just want a system to build a business.
They aren't interested in talking to people. That makes sense to me. Why try and force people,
when you can attrack people that already have an interest in owning a business opportunity.

Isn't it funny.... many of us googled Randy Gage. That's the power of IM we know many are looking for what we have to offer. We only need to get in front of them!

Paul

Who quit? Randy? I think his company went bust didn't it?

If you tried to 'force' your friends and family into your business then it's easy to see why that didn't work for you. That's the sort of behaviour that gives MLM a bad name. It's usually the result of poor training, and stopping it is what this site is all about. There's a ton of videos on here that will tell people how to talk to a warm market. All they have to do is be prepared to learn how to communicate properly.

As the great man said 'you have to work harder on yourself than you do on your business'.

Mark

Have not tried it yet, not to say that I won't but I am just learning all of this. I still don't know what alot of the internet marketing is, and don't think that I am going to be jumping into the deep end of the pool any time soon. I just want to meet people and get some better skills.

YES ERIC! Now THIS is what I'm talking about when I say you need some CONTROVERSY on here! I would love to see you get Gage in the same room as Ann Seig LOL!

I agree with Randy 110% if you wouldn't tell your mother or your brother about your business you are in the wrong business.

QOTD - Yes I have used the internet for prospecting people I do not know. Yes it has worked and yes it has duplicated to a certain extent. Let me explain...

I build my business with a warm market philosophy. I started off recruiting people in my warm market. I taught my team how to recruit people in their warm market. Anybody that I sponsor into the business, I teach them to recruit in their warm market and my team when they recruit people teach them how to recruit in their warm market.

However, there comes a point in time for some people where they have exhausted their warm market. I know because it happened to me. I thought to myself "I'm in trouble...if I don't have people to talk to I'm out of business." So because I have a background in internet marketing, I started using it (along with purchasing business opportunity leads) to have more people to talk to.

Today I do all three. I recruit in my warm market because I have learned how to expand my warm market and I supplement my warm market prospecting efforts with internet marketing and business opportunity leads. I've signed up new customers and I have recruited new distributors from both sources so I know it works.

Now regarding does it duplicate, here's why I say YES to a certain extent. When I recruit somebody from internet marketing, I don't teach them internet marketing. I teach them warm market. When I recruit someone from business opportunity leads, I don't put them on leads. I teach them warm market. Because I'm teaching them warm market, it duplicates, just like it would duplicate if you met someone at some networking event and teach them warm market or if you recruited your brother and taught him warm market.

A lot of people think that because you recruit someone online or through a business opportunity lead they will automatically WANT to recruit online or do business opportunity leads. Completely 100% NOT TRUE by any stretch of the imagination. I can count on ONE hand the amount of people I recruited online or recruited from a business opportunity lead that didn't want to do warm market and NONE of those people ever made a single sale or recruited a single distributor. Everybody else did warm market because that is what they were taught by me and everybody else in their upline.

It is only those people who run out of warm market and are unable for whatever reason to expand their warm market that I teach business opportunity leads or internet marketing and that's only a small portion of my organization. Most of my organization NEVER runs out of their warm market and the few that do, most of them learn how to expand their warm market. I can probably count on one, maybe two hands the amount of people I have ever had to teach business opportunity leads or internet marketing and I have hundreds of distributors in my organization.

The average distributor is not going to work their business at a pace that's going to allow them to run out of their warm market quickly. If the average person knows 250 people and they talk to 2 people a day consistently 5 days a week, they won't run out of their warm market for at least 6 months. And 90%+ of the distributors in this industry are NOT talking to 2 people a day consistently 5 days a week. A lot of them aren't even talking to 2 people a WEEK much less 2 people a DAY! If they are only doing 1 a day 5 days a week, they won't run out of their warm market for at least a year. Most people are gone after 90 days, so looking at those numbers it's clear why there's rarely a need for me to ever teach them anything else.

The small portion that I have taught, yes they have been able to duplicate it, but most importantly I teach them that when they get a new recruit from one of those methods you teach them warm market.

Aloha Eric, Once again I am jealous as hell. Please take me with you on the next trip. :-) Seriously both you and Randy have valid arguments. Nothing beats the proven principles of business. Face to face relationships, integrity, finance and marketing skills. I do believe the internet (social media, ppc etc) have there place in network marketing. However, just as person to person harrassment is irritating. Internet harrassment is just as irritating. It is not easily duplicatable. It is just a part of the overall marketing package. Have a great time!

QOTD: Worked? To some extent. Duplicated? NO, absolutely not!!!!!
A lot of products used in successful internet marketing usually constitute 'direct selling' therefore the systems are not really designed to duplicate. My success to date has come from, as Randy puts it, "from people you know and meet and from the people they know and meet". As you know to use the internet properly one has to get it back to 'warm market' right away so the prospect gets in amongst the people they know and meet and so on.
That duplicates.

By the way Eric, could you ask Randy next time to move his head just a little bit to the left as a beam of sunlight is reflecting off his head right into the camera lens. Yours isn't reflecting though (LOL).

Lovin' your interview room.

Yes. With your company in fact. I'm an attorney and I had some minimal success (at the cost of $1,000.00's of dollars paid to my sponsor). Was it duplicatable? Absolutly not! Not one of the people I brought into the business had any success at all. Thats why I'm here now. I need to learn how to help those I sponsor become successful.

John W.

I think the Internet is full of Twitts & tweets , Facebooking.....etc.....By the time I'm finished with all that I have not spent anytime IN my business. Anyone else feel the same way?

Thank You Eric & Randy...by the way...gonna meet you one day for coffee!!!!!

Pat, Canada

I LOVE the Internet but Internet marketing does not duplicate! so I really doesn't matter if it works. Also there is hidden but steep learning curve to really be good over time that people cant see when they first get started. In early stages it really looks like you can master things ...and the seduction begins. they will spend more and more time learning and less and less actually building a team and a healthy team culture. That brings up my biggest argument against the "Internet marketing driven mlm" story. Internet marketing does not increase the value and respect of a team concept. It does foster a teacher to student relationship, but not a true team driven culture. and there are more people driven to join a culture than to peddle a product. And this is coming from me a man who loves the Internet and markets a Internet marketing tool to small business via MLM.
We actually recruit people who want to meet each other on the beaches or the world ( and celebrate the team work that got us all there) , not just to make enough money individually to go to the beaches or the world, to meet with other individual achievers, and then market the trip as a new top secret just release triple effective system guaranteed to deliver the promise of MLM with out the work fo MLM.

This vid series started out promoting his best selling book on "how to" do the "biz"...

Isn't Randy G. ultimately "Mining the miner's" as well?

Like them or not... agree or disagree... Are not Dillard's and Sieg's programs just their version of "how to"?

Randy has been promoting audio tapes, books, tools, and seminars for years... Hasn't all that self promotion positioned him as a leader in the industry thus "attracting" (ie: magnetic sponsoring) many of the people who ultimately join his team?

I understand the value of warm market - but I still wonder how many (or % of) of Randy's "direct" downline he has never personally met... people who have have gravitated to him because of his "online" presence...

Thoughts anyone?

the point maybe missed is Randy Gage doesn't use headlines that are deragatory or misleading to promote his stuff. the Dillard's and Sieg's are using headlines that take the profession backwards.

Matt,

I can relate where you are coming from. Having an online presence and branding yourself as a leader has a big impact on growing your business. I believe in traditional and online marketing. However, whatever we do, we always have to ask ourselves this question. Does this duplicate??